Message boards : Graphics cards (GPUs) : GTX 750ti switching to default clock value (1058MHz) after a while
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Among others, I am using two GTX 750ti (in two different PCs) for GPIGRID crunching. | |
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I now set the clock to 1200MHz and will see what happens. After a BNS task was withdrawn by the server an a new one was downloaded some time thereafter, the GPU clock again jumped down to 1058MHz :-( So, I restartet the PC, and the GPU clock now is back zu 1200MHz. We'll see for how long | |
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BNB WUs have been aborted, it is explained here. | |
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Does anyone have any idea what is wrong? The graphic card is about 1 year old, however crunching 7/24 almost all of the time. Is the chip approaching the end of it's lifetime? Of the six GTX 750 Ti's that I have bought (all ASUS, minimal factory overclock), two have now failed. I didn't see a problem with the clocks, but the first one bought (shortly after the card was introduced) produced some errors and then caused freezes and BSODs. The next one that failed was the second one purchased a couple of months later, and started by producing errors; I pulled it out before it caused BSODs. That was at about the 1 1/2 year service point. So I am keeping a close watch on the others as they are now at, or beyond that time too. | |
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BNB WUs have been aborted, it is explained here. yes, I know. But my problem startet earlier. Furthermore, the WUs did NOT break off, the problem was a different one, as described in my initial posting above. | |
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Since this morning, with one of them I notice that after a few hours of crunching, the GPU clock which was OC'ed to 1300 MHz (shown under "current clock" in the NVIDIA Inspector) falls back to the value 1058MHz which is shown as "default clock".I think you should remove the card, unplug the PCIe and ATX power connectors and check them for any burn marks. If the card does not have a PCIe power connector then check the plugs of the yellow (12V) cables on the 24-pin ATX power connector. Perhaps it's a good opportunity to clean the card's (and the CPU's) heatsink with compressed air. If there are no burn marks, you can put the card back and have another try. | |
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This morning, I followed Zoltan's advice and removed the card for cleaning with compressed air; however (to my surprise) almost no dust around. What concerns checking the cables for burn marks, no PCIe cable (no external power supply for the card), so I looked at the plugs of the ATX cable - no burn marks visible. | |
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Is this card in your WinXPx64 host (Core2 Duo E7400)? I guess there are two possibilities: either the power management of the card is defective,This seems to me like the self defense of the card activate itself. or there is something wrong with the power system of the mainboard.The mainboard does nothing with the power for the GPU: it just passes the 12V to the PCIe connectors. That's why I asked you to check the 24-pin ATX power connector of the mainboard, but since there are no burn marks on that, it should be fine. What mainboard is this? Since I renewed the PSU only some 8 months ago, this should normally not be the source of the problem (but: who knows).What brand/model do you have now? | |
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Is this card in your WinXPx64 host (Core2 Duo E7400)?no, it's in the Windows 10 PC with the Core2Quad Q9550 @ 2.83GHz. This seems to me like the self defense of the card activate itself.But why would the card do this all of a sudden? For many months it has run well on 1300MHz with power consumption ~92% TDP. After the GPU has run all last night at 1200MHz, this morning once again it reverted back to base clock 1058MHz, power consumption ~56% TDP. What mainboard is this?Fujitsu D3041 in an Esprimo P2560 What brand/model do you have now?BeQuiet PurePower L8 400W Perhaps you should try to find the highest frequency it can run continuously (by lowering the OC by 25MHz every time it falls back to its default clock)Of course I could do that, in fact, I will do it - but yet it seems that something is wrong since 2 days ago. Crunching a BNBS with - say - 1100MHz or so will take some 50+ hours :-( FYI, the other GTX750ti in an even older host (Fujitsu Esprimo P2540, old PSU 300W) with a Core2Duo E7400 @ 2,8GHz runs at 1360MHz (memory clock 2860MHz), Power consumption ~96% TDP, without any problems (Windows XP). | |
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When hitting the cards this hard I recommend not overclocking at all, a 1% gain in freq is not worth 12+ hours of wasted time and electricity. | |
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it's in the Windows 10 PC with the Core2Quad Q9550 @ 2.83GHz.Oh, now I understand this :) Because these workunits depend much less on the CPU then the previous batches, hence the WDDM does not hinder their performance as much, so they tolerate less overclocking. This card is probably tolerate less overclocking than the other in the WinXP host, but it wasn't that much evident because the performance of the previous workunits was hindered more by the WDDM. Have you ever swapped these cards (between WDDM and non-WDDM OS) to cross-check their overclocking abilities?This seems to me like the self defense of the card activate itself.But why would the card do this all of a sudden? For many months it has run well on 1300MHz with power consumption ~92% TDP.Only ~56% TDP? Then I think the real clock of this GPU is much less then 1058MHz! It should be around 700MHz, which is really the self-defense mode of these cards. Next time it happens you should check the "real" clock frequency by GPU-Z's sensors, or MSI Afterburner's monitoring window. Crunching a BNBS with - say - 1100MHz or so will take some 50+ hours :-(The 50+ hours too long for 1100MHz, so it confirms that the real frequency is around 700~800MHz when your card is downclocked. | |
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I've seen this. In my case it happened during the SETI Wow event. I was running the optimized apps and figured it was that or an overloaded system. The cause was never clear, but it was almost certainly some sort of software or driver issue. It hasn't happened for a long time and my GPUs have worked perfectly here and on other projects. I know one time GPU-Z indicated the PCI speed had dropped to 1.1, but another time that was not the case. My GPUs were not overclocked, unlike most I don't generally crunch all the time and I also temp limit my cards for both comfort and longevity. | |
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Because these workunits depend much less on the CPU then the previous batches, hence the WDDM does not hinder their performance as much, so they tolerate less overclocking. This card is probably tolerate less overclocking than the other in the WinXP host, but it wasn't that much evident because the performance of the previous workunits was hindered more by the WDDM. Have you ever swapped these cards (between WDDM and non-WDDM OS) to cross-check their overclocking abilities?Thanks for the logical explanation. Swapping the two cards as suggested by you unfortunately not possible, since for mechanical reasons the other card does not fit into this PC (the socket of the PCI slot right under the PCIe slot is not located far enough away, downwards). Only ~56% TDP? Then I think the real clock of this GPU is much less then 1058MHz! It should be around 700MHz, which is really the self-defense mode of these cards. Next time it happens you should check the "real" clock frequency by GPU-Z's sensors, or MSI Afterburner's monitoring window.I did this, by GPU-Z; it was showing same values as the NVIDIA Inspector. The 50+ hours too long for 1100MHz, so it confirms that the real frequency is around 700~800MHz when your card is downclocked.Here the values from a currently crunched task (the previous one I idiot inadvertantly abortet at a progress status of 96%): runtime so far 5 hours, progress 11,190%; so total time will be roughly 44:40 hours. GPU clock (as shown in GPU-Z and Inspector): 1190 MHz, TDP between 83 and 94%. GPU load 94-95%. Within these 5 hours, so far no drop back to "default clock) 1058MHz. | |
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I did this, by GPU-Z; it was showing same values as the NVIDIA Inspector.That's strange. | |
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Perhaps this GPU is somewhat overtaxed with these challenging BNBS WUs. While I am not sure now whether the problem started with a different type WU. | |
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After the card has run stable on 1200 MHz for two days (crunching BNBS), a few hours ago it again switched back to default clock 1058 MHz. | |
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After the card has run stable on 1200 MHz for two days (crunching BNBS), a few hours ago it again switched back to default clock 1058 MHz.GPU load is misleading, it's actually the load of the units which distribute the work to the CUDA cores. The TDP gives a more accurate reading of how much the CUDA cores are utilized. (The TDP was between 83 and 94% by the BNBS workunits) This nourishes my suspicion that the GPU may have a problem with the BNBS WUs (in contrast to the GTX 750ti in the other PC).These workunits present the highest stress to your card (comparing to the SETI workunits, or the other GPUGrid workunits), so it could be a slightly 'defective' card. You could test it with stress-test tools like Furmark or MSI Kombustor. Let it run for an extended period of time. While it's running, you should look for artifacts (miscolored dots, missing triangles, vertical lines that disappear in the next frame, any strange pattern) to know if your card is defective. It could take ~30 minutes (or more) for these artifacts to show up. You could use the Unigine Heaven test too, but it does not stress the card as much as the other two tools. | |
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After the GPU clock, having run at 1200MHz for about a day, once more switched back to 1058 MHz, I restarted the PC and ran the Furmark test for about 1 1/2 hours (at 1920x1080) and did NOT spot any artifacts or other irregularities. | |
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Well, I'm getting totally confused here (because of the discrepancy). So, at least from this test, the card would NOT be defective?No, according to the specifications, the base clock of the GTX 750Ti is 1020MHz, and the boost clock is 1085MHz. Which vendor / model is this card? (I'm asking it purely out of curiosity, as the silicon lottery matters more than this.) | |
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EDIT: it's a MSI. NVIDIA Inspector show following values: Default clock: 1058MHz - Boost: 1137MHz GPU clock (second line from bottom): 1044MHz - Boost: 1122MHz For some 12 hours now, it's run at 1200MHz (without falling back to 1025MHz), TPD between 77% and 94% (values changing every second). Just for information, my other GTX750Ti is make ZOTAC, and shows the following values in the Inspector: Default clock: 1032MHz - Boost: 1110MHz GPU clock (second line from bottom): 1216MHz - Boost: 1294MHz It's currently running at 1360MHz at TDP between 80 and 102%. As Zoltan said: "Silicon Lottery" :-) | |
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In the past few days, "adaptive" WUs by Pablo were downloaded by this host; so I tried to push up the GPU clock, which was no problem. It ran at 1300MHz, all the time. | |
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strange thins here: although the "Edit" button was still shown with my previous posting, after adding some text I got the meassage that I cannot edit the postin any longer. | |
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When this morning I took the first look at my PCs, I noticed the following situation on both the one with the GTX970 and also the one with the GTX750ti (both crunching a PABLO_adaptive_goal_KIX): | |
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Meanwhile, the WU got finished, and I received credit. | |
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This phenomen that when crunching certain WUs, the GPU automatically switches the clock rate back to default 1058MHz is really annoying by now. | |
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Since installation of crunching software acemd_918-80 (plus the newer NVIDIA driver 381.65) the situation has become even worse. | |
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